7DaysinParadise
Travel => Airlines => Topic started by: Bulldog on May 09, 2005, 11:50:00 AM
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Any idea of the weight allowed on ther Chartered flights..?
Bulldog... :D
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we're flying skyservice and they told us 20 kg
Free baggage allowance varies with some destinations. As a rule, each passenger is allowed a maximum of two pieces of checked luggage, the combined weight of both pieces not to exceed 20 kg (44 lbs). Please refer to your airline ticket for your exact baggage allowance.
Total dimension of checked bagged is not to exceed 158 cm (62 inches) (length + width + height) per piece.
Excess baggage will be charged at $7 per kg for each direction. Please note, there is an overall weight limit permitted on the aircraft, therefore we cannot guarantee that excess baggage will be permitted on the aircraft.
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Don't forget to put the sports/dive gear in a seperate bag! No charge at all for Sky service
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Thank You Both :D
Bulldog.. :s:
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Here are a few more pics of Skyservice flight 767 after it's "Hard Landing" in Punta Cana.
(http://www.7daysinparadise.com/albums/General-Interest/Skyservice767a.sized.jpg)
(http://www.7daysinparadise.com/albums/General-Interest/Skyservice767b.sized.jpg)
(http://www.7daysinparadise.com/albums/General-Interest/Skyservice767c.sized.jpg)
(http://www.7daysinparadise.com/albums/General-Interest/Skyservice767d.sized.jpg)
(http://www.7daysinparadise.com/albums/General-Interest/Skyservice767e.sized.jpg)
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I know that some of you have seen this news report on Global but I have seen nothing about this on the television news in the East and can't find any news stories on the internet. I remember when Air Transat had the incident with the rudder in the winter that it was in our news reports that week. I guess my question is how come no news down here or am I missing something :confused: :confused: Thanks for the photos, Flopnfly!
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We have heard very little about it here either.
I've only seen the small clip on Global news, and nothing in the papers.
Even searching the internet, nobody seems to know anything.
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Heather there are some pic's I took on the Where is Bulldog post..
Bulldog
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(http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid171/p5d6380b5b39d62b434ae37b493bd8138/f3e2ec5b.jpg)
(http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid171/p2a370f88beeac3949d45eb6eaed1f8d7/f3e2f156.jpg)
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Thanks Heather.. ;)
Bulldog :s:
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This was the news on YYZnews.com
Skyservice Airlines (5G/SSV) a)....one of their Boeing 767-300s (C-GLMC) was damaged in a hard landing at Punta Cana in the Dominican Republic on the weekend of May 21st and pictures circulating on the internet clearly show a wrinkled fuselage forward of the wing. Boeing technicians are assessing the extent of the damage to determine if it should be repaired or possible declared a write-off. Meanwhile, Skyservice is attempting to sub- charter other aircraft where necessary to meet their obligations to the various Tour Wholesalers. b)...the Kitchener-Waterloo Record newspaper reports that Signature Vacations will operate the first-ever direct flights from the Kitchener-Waterloo (YKF) airport to Punta Cana this winter on Mondays and on Fridays to Cancun. All flights will be operated with Skyservice Airbus A320s.
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Bulldog, your pictures are much better than the one that I posted a link to when we first found out about this mishap.
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Thanks Millybess..
Those pic's are the next day and head on the crunch..so it not as BAD..
As mine are from minutes after and from the angle where you can see the real damage..
Bulldog :s:
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Here's a thought I've had in my head today. BF, you mentioned that no one from Sky Services really said anything to the passengers when you got off. I was thinking that, if I was one of the flight attendants on board, I would be pretty much in as much shock as everyone else on that plane. Really, what could they say? They would be in the same boat as everyone else.
I doubt there would be any "official" people around the airport at the exact time that would have the authority represent Sky Services and speak on their behalf. So while it would have been better if someone was there to say something to the passengers, I'm not surprised that nothing happened.
It sounds like they've waited until everyone was home when they can touch base with you.
Anyone, not trying to defend anyone, just some thoughts going through my head today.
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I hear you Wolf, in that the staff were likely in shock as well, but let's not forget they are the trained professionals who are taught to be able to handle any emergency situation. I personally would not be apt to dismiss their lack of response quite so readily. Bulldog stated in another post (or perhaps another forum :confused: )that people were actually banged up and kids crying, I think the staff on board that aircraft had an obligation to take control and in the very least assess any medical concerns that may have resulted from the incident. It sounds as though they pretended to ignore what had just occurred and that is simply wrong.
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Well said sunlvr..
:D
Bulldog
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Sunluvr, I agree 100%. I just finished saying the exact same thing.
As passengers we depend on the trained professionals to guide us in an emergency. That's their job and their obligation. Otherwise they are nothing more than glorified waiters and waitresses.
I think that they should have spoken up and tried to calm and reassure everybody, even if they didn't know what had happened.
It's the least that they could have done in this circumstance.
Heather
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Originally posted by flopnfly:
Otherwise they are nothing more than glorified waiters and waitresses.
Good points. I guess that's just what I assume they were .. glorified waiters and waitresses. Depending on the emergency training, then I agree they could have done more. I wonder if it's simply because it was right at landing, and not mid way through the flight?
Regardless, putting myself in their shoes obviously doesn't work without understanding their training! :confused: Either way, choosing to ignore is never acceptable.
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Well folks, please don't shoot the messenger for saying this.
While inflight and onboard safety is to an extent the responsibility of the flight and cabin crew, YOU also have a personal responsibility to take care of yourself.
How many of you actually LISTEN to the safety talk before the flight begins?
How many of you actually KNOW where the closest emergency exit is, especially as your seating position might be different than your last flight, or it might be a different type/model of the aircraft?
How many of you actually KNOW how to open an emergency exit should the need arise?
How many of you actually READ the seatback emergency card and familiarize yourself with the features of your aircraft?
How many of you actually KNOW where you lifevest is located?
Do you know HOW to use the oxygen mask or life vest if required?
All of these items are things that are YOUR responsibility to know. If the worst had of happened and the plane split open on the runway, do you realize that there is a prescious 90 second survival window (on average) that are the golden seconds to survival if you know what to do. If you're not off the plane within 90 seconds of the wreckage stopping moving, odds are that you won't make it.
I'm not trying to scare anybody. Thankfully the need to use this knowledge is very, very, very rare in commercial aviation. Next time you fly, take a second to remember this incident and pay attention to the safety briefing. The life it saves might just be your own.
Steve
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I DO, to all the above. And the seat cushion on WestJet planes float! Maybe they do on other planes too.
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:t: I agree with all that has been said and if Skyservice is smart they will be doing a whole lot of Quality control after this incident and hopefully will make up to it's customers in some way for the lack of responsiveness at the site. That being said, I feel what Wolf said about attendants is probably true. Yes, they are professionals but I would have to ask, how much training are they actually getting these past years? From what I experienced on our flight and what others have told me the emphasis seems to be on a bubbly, entertaining, hospitable employee who can help you relax and enjoy your flight. I would be interested to know how much first aid, disaster type training they get as well as training for other in-air situations. I am not faulting the crew but something was obviously missing in this incident! I hope this is not an area of financial trimming in the air industry.
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For the record, Steve, I do pay careful attention to all of the security measures each and every time I fly. I have the emerg. exit scoped out loooong before it's announced...chalk it up to anal retentiveness! I agree with you that we all have responisbilities to do our part in the safety, but I'm still no less disturbed by the lack of action taken by the staff on the aircraft.
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Having flown around 10 times only...and having to listen the the saftey portion of the flight every time..and knowing what I am supopose to do..I was just hopping that they would have known what to do as well.. ;)
I just hope that Sky Services learns a thing or two out of this..
Bulldog :s:
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Originally posted by Steve_YYZ:
Well folks, please don't shoot the messenger for saying this.
Steve
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Steve you make some valid points in your post.
It is everyone's responsibility to take care of themselves. But ultimately it is the pilot’s responsibility to land the plane safely. It is the flight crew’s responsibility to jump into action in an emergency situation. That is what they are trained to do.
The first rule of any emergency situation is for someone to take charge and try to calm everyone down.
People tend to panic in these situations, mainly because of the unknown.
Somebody needs to step up to the plate and take charge. Make an announcement that something has happened but we are dealing with it and please stay seated and remain calm. It makes all the difference, not everyone is going to calm down but enough will.
Most people do know what to do in an emergency exit situation, but it doesn’t stop the panic feeling that comes over you. This is where the flight crew needs to do their job. Give a sense of reassurance and then get everyone off the plane as quickly as possible.
We don’t know what happened in this situation so we are really only generalizing. But from what I’ve heard so far, the flight crew didn’t do their job. They left the passengers to fend for themselves and with no explanation.
The pilot didn’t do his job; he didn’t safely land the plane. I’ve heard rumors that the pilot landing the plane was in training, and he came in too fast, over reacted and dipped the nose too far? This is only rumor, and I’m not a pilot so I really can’t comment on whether there was something he could have done differently or not. I’m just happy that this was a “minor” incident and nobody was really hurt. Especially our Bulldog.
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HEATHER where did you here this
"The pilot didn’t do his job; he didn’t safely land the plane. I’ve heard rumors that the pilot landing the plane was in training, and he came in too fast, over reacted and dipped the nose too far?"
There was a list made in the Aiport from many Passengers of the flight to keep in touch..and the two that started the list HAvE conections at Global news..they have bben the ones talking to Skyservices..and THIS voucher that the are suppose to send out...we are told not to sign anything..and to consider talking to a lawyer..I guess there is blood in the water now...
Whatever happens..if I get an explanation and a apology...I will be happy..and if there is $$$ too..I won't turn it down..
The more I think about the situation ( being that I am safe now) the more angry I get about how it was and is being handled. And if that rumor is true....WOW WOW let the Lawyers work it out..!! :D
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Bulldog, like I said what I heard was just rumour, it has not been confirmed.
There have been previous accidents like this before, not necessarily with Skyservice.
Read this:
Flight Standards Information Bulletin (http://www.faa.gov/avr/afs/fsat/fsat9506.txt)
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OKAY Heather..who is your deepthroat..?
Bulldog :D
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Here is a link to the News from the other day about this flight..
SKYSERVICE REPORT (http://www.actioneventphotos.com/brini/)
Bulldog.. :s:
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http://www.faa.gov/avr/afs/fsat/fsat9506.txt (http://www.faa.gov/avr/afs/fsat/fsat9506.txt)
I guess the pilot never studied the above directive. :duh:
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Hi gromstrela999
Welcome to the Board :D
Bulldog :s:
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Now there is a site for those who want to know more..
http://www.afterfivestudios.com/flight560/index.php (http://www.afterfivestudios.com/flight560/index.php)
Bulldog :s:
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$10 million in damages? I guess Canada is following the US example now in launching law suits. While I do not particularly like Skyservice service, it is yet another airline that helps to keep air fare prices down a bit and I wonder if they could cope with that sort of damage award. As a westerner, I am so aware of what happened to Toronto-Vancouver fares when Jetsgo went. I also wonder what kind of chance this has of succeeding?
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I'm not to sure...if anything these things get settled more then go all the way...will have to wait and see..
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Should I get in on the action...?
What do you think..?
Bulldog :s:
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I thought you were in on the action Bulldog.
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No..just part of the list that was made about information..
Not in on the Class action Suit..well not ye anyway...
Not sure what to do...I guess I'm waiting to see this letter the Skyservices is sending out...should be here soon from what I here..
Bulldog :s:
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As long as the truth is told and no on lies about what happened..Some of the news storys said the passengers where tossed about..and that not true at all !!
Just the facts..PLEASE !
Bulldog :s:
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There's always going to be opportunists in a situation like this.
I think most people will tell the truth, but some will lie in order to get more compensation.
I agree stick to the truth and you can't go wrong.
I notice all the newspapers are carrying the story now. It took a law suit before they were interested? Unbelievable !!
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YES the 10$$MILLION sure got there attention...lol
Bulldog.. :s:
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A very difficult decision for you to make Bulldog. Unfortunately as Heather said they are an awful lot of opportunists out there.
I would await the letter from Skyservice before making any decision. No one was injured badly and a $10 million lawsuit sounds ridiculous IMHO. Surely though Skyservice's insurance policy would cover the cost of any claims.
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THank you both for your thoughts.. :D
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Bulldog, I think you are smart to wait to see what happens. At the very least you should get a thorough medical exam done to ensure there is nothing underlying that you might not even be aware of. Do not sign any releases, whatever you do!
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HERE is the site for the Class Action..
http://www.skyserviceclassaction.com/ (http://www.skyserviceclassaction.com/)
Bulldog :roll:
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Bulldog
I sent you a P.M.. Check your mail. Sorry, I forgot to title it.
Freedom Ryder :7: ............
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Freedome there is nothing there..
Send it again.. :D
Bulldog :s:
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Hey Bulldog
Sorry, my computer skills suck. I hit the "BACK' key about 20 times and finally found the letter. Perhaps it was not sent because I did not title it. The message said "Mail, untitled". I sent it again and the screen said "MESSAGE SENT". Check your box again.
Freedom Ryder :7: ...........
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THANKS Freedom RYDER...
Recieved it and replied.. :D
Bulldog :s:
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Bulldog
Incoming mail.
Freedom Ryder :7: ...........
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And MOM just became the word..!!!
Bulldog :D
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One thing I will mention for consideration Bulldog... If you even join the class action suit, then the $500 voucher is worthless.
Part of the release you sign for the voucher, is that it is considered Total payment for damages, and you forgo all other avenues..
So, if you join the class action, and it fails, or the pay-out is less than $500 per person, after fees, and Lawyer rip-off, you are S.O.L.
Just something to keep in mind.
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"Part of the release you sign for the voucher, is that it is considered Total payment for damages, and you forgo all other avenues.."
When do you think you would have to sign...before you use it..or within a certain time frame..?
Bulldog :s:
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My guess would be that if your name is listed in the class action suit, the voucher will no longer be valid for you. You'd have to talk to Sky Services themselves to really find that one out.
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Bulldog
Call a Lawyer for free advise. You will be advised if it is better to take the voucher, join the class action lawsuit, or sue on your own. Lawyers can get their hands on previous lawsuits towards airline companies and their outcome.
Freedom Ryder :7: ............
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My GF received her Letter today from Skyservice and for some reason I did not..and she is not home for a couple hours so I don't know what it says..
I can see there is a $500.00 Voucher in it...but thats all I can see..
Another couple hours won't kill me... ;)
Bulldog :s:
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Originally posted by BF54bulldog:
My GF received her Letter today from Skyservice and for some reason I did not..and she is not home for a couple hours so I don't know what it says..
I can see there is a $500.00 Voucher in it...but thats all I can see..
Another couple hours won't kill me... ;)
Bulldog :s:
My thoughts are..........
If the airline is giving every passenger a $500.00 voucher then they know damn well if people sued then they would be receiving a lot more than $500.00 each.
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I think that if they where so conceren about our safty and satisfaction they would have done something before this..and now it may just be hush money..who knows..I do know that some passengers will be happy with it..and then there are those who will not be..
Bulldog :s:
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$500 is not a great deal of money these days but it is better than nothing considering no one was injured. I would have though that $1000 per person would have been more appropriate.
However if you join this class action lawsuit how long is this likely to drag on for?
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Well from what I read it could take a few months...and if it go's to Court..and few years ...you never can tell what the Compnay being Sued is going to do..
Bulldog :s:
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OKAY so I read the letter..and I will try and post it tomorrow...but it is not what I wanted to read...
Basicly it was ;)
Bulldog :s:
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One very important thing to remember about "Vouchers" when sent by a travel company.
Earlier this year I had a problem with a flight booking from another travel company. They offered a $300 Voucher. I accepted and thought this is great as it will reduce my next flight cost by $300.
WRONG ! ! !
The voucher states that the $300 reduction is off the Regular Brochure Price of the package or flight.
Heck, these days with sell-offs and discounts, you can normally get the damn flight/package for even less then the Full Price minus the Voucher.
Ergo.... The Vouchers are often not worth the paper they are printed on. But by the time you find this out, it's long past the time to do anything about it.
Personally, I'd skip the voucher and go with the class-action. At least if you win something or get compensation, it will be in CASH that you can apply to the lowest price you can find for another trip, not the damn Brochure Price.
Steve
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Excellent point Steve. Read the fine print Bulldog.
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Steve:
You are so right in what you say and so are you millybess is saying to Bulldog to check the small print.
Four years ago following a complaint I made to Airtours with regard to the Copacabana Hotel in Acapulco they sent me a £200 voucher which had a date to be used by on it.
There were no strings on it and I booked an Airtours holiday in the Dom Rep through my local Thomas Cook travel agent and had the £200 deducted from the bill.
Steve's voucher was flight only I assume, whereas Bulldog's should be able to be used against a package holiday (as mine was).
However I would be inclined to follow Steve's advice on this one.
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A few years ago we had problems with skyservice in DR, and ended up receiving vouchers from them as compensation.
Useless pieces of paper, as Steve says they are only good if you book the Brochure price which I never do !!
I'm sure the vouchers are still in a drawer somewhere collecting dust.
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It would be interesting to know if the voucher is on book price. I don't know anyone who has EVER paid book price.
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Thanks Steve and Millybess and all..MY GF took it to work our I would check right now what is said...and mine for some reason didn't come yesterday..hopefully today..and I will let you all know what is says.. ;)
Bulldog :s:
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Here is a link to a copy of the letter and voucher..
SKYSERVICE DAMAGE CONTROL (http://www.afterfivestudios.com/flight560/letter.php)
Bulldog :s:
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Well Bulldog, I don't see anything in there that forces you to use the voucher on a brochure-priced holiday. However, I am somewhat dismayed in their language with regard to the message of apology not reaching you and your flight-mates while you were vacationing in the DR. They had a whole week to ensure that the message of apology was delivered. Management seems to be passing the buck, which is never a good sign. They could have sent someone down on the next flight to ensure the message was delivered pesonally.
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I agree Millybess,
They should have flown a team down there immediately to deal with the situation and arranged medical care for anybody that needed it.
Instead, they left everyone to find a doctor on their own in a strange country, and left to pay for it themselves as well. Not good in my opinion.
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YES I did find the letter to be a whole bunch of :xixyi:
Bulldog
They leave me little choice...
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Well Bulldog :s:
Typical letter of apology which means sweet Fanny Adams.
Go with the class-action as Steve suggests, but hang on to the voucher just in case.
What does your GF think?
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Hey guys and gals. This thread has made the headlines on Caribline.
The same old idiot that hates anybody who asks for compensation is bad-mouthing all of us over on Caribline. What a load of B.S. No wonder the good people don't use Caribline too much anymore.
Steve
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well those on
Caribline ( whatever that is )
can :D :D
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Sorry Bulldog, I thought everybody knew about the Caribline forum.
Here's the link for those with an interest.
Caribean On-Line Cuba Forum (http://www.caribline.com/islands/cu/forum.shtml)
The thread is titled Hard Luck Landing
Steve
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I've never posted there in my life and the only time I ever look at it is when somebody provides a link to a story.
I truthfully cannot understand why anyone would want to post over there. We want to make friends not enemies IMHO.
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Well that's over there...not here.. :D
Bulldog..
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I just read it, but it seems like some posts have been deleted. There's no flow and it all seems to be from the same guy, whatever his name happens to be this week...
You know the forum has arrived when we make the headlines on Caribline. :rof: :rof:
an excerpt:
You pitiful excuse of a human being among your group of scam artist piggies over at flopnlie.
:rof:
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Well I for one think they should get no play over here.. :D
As we are friends over here and post real names and stuff..
So lets just close them out !
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:s:
"MOM"
Freedom Ryder :7: ............
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Anthony finally woke up over there and deleted the whole thread. Good.
S.
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I just wanted to let everyong know..that in the 5 weeks it has been I have received nothing from Skyservices..My GF recieved her letter and Voucher and me nothing...Way to go SkyServices..your Customer service is GREAT ;)
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Sorry to hear that Bulldog,
Have you tried contacting them? Have you heard if anybody else has not received their letter?
HEather
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No I have not..
I am waiting to hear about what is going on with the Class Action thing..
As I will be calling them to get my letter when I get around to it..
Bulldog :D
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Anything new on this front Bulldog? I haven't seen anything on the news lately.
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No Nothing new...as it it the lawyers hands...and reports that lots didn't get there voucher or letter..
At this point..I'm not to worried about it..I never plan to ride Skyservice again..so the voucher would be useless anyway..
Bulldog..
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From the events of last week I have decided not to be part of the Class Action...
Life is way to short ;)
Bulldog :s:
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Can you believe nothing has been settled to this date :BangHead:
The last update was almost 16 months ago http://www.skyserviceclassaction.com/updates.html
I just wanted my voucher :ROFL:
My Ex has used hers but me who paid for the trip, NOTHING :roleyes:
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:dontknow: Did they ever find out or say what happened to that plane BD?
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Well the plane was fixed and sold but as far as what happened it apparently was just a miscalculation made
by human error. But I think it's something SS didn't really have to admit :dontknow: