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messybill

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Equipment
« on: August 30, 2005, 09:06:00 PM »
OK folks, I can't wait till Sep 10 to do my open water dives and get ceritifed....!  But now my thoughts are turning to equipment.  What's your advice to a newbie who isn't sure what to purchase, what to rent and how much to spend?

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Re: Equipment
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2005, 10:52:00 PM »
Hi Messybill,
 that's a tough question.  It's only possible to answer it with a bunch of little questions.
 
 Where will you be diving? Cold water or warm water?  this will tell you what to look for in terms of regulators, BCD's and wetsuits.
 
 Regulators, huge range in price, some of the entry level models will come in around the 250-350 mark, and go up to over $1000 for the top of the line models.  If you plan to dive both cold and warm water, you probably want to look at the mid range models, most importantly, get a regulator that is balanced.  It will perform the same with lower air in your tank at the end of your dive as it will with a full tank, and will not be noticeably affected by cold vs warm water.
 
 gauges, GAH!!!  you need a depth gauge, air guage, and throw a compass on there too, they're not that expensive.  If you're planning on getting a dive computer, my suggestion is to get wrist mounted computer, and analog gauges, that way if you're computer fails, you have a backup. Don't forget a good water proof watch, good to 100' again, as backup.  You'll find prices ranging from about $150 to something hideous that will make you gag.  
 
 BCD, about $300-$1000+ but how to decide on one?  Try it on, how does it feel, does it sit right?  Some BCD's have the weight belts integrated into them which is nice (a feature that I'll definitely look for if I should be in the position for a new BCD myself).  Good BCD's will not "roll" you when you're floating in the water, a simple way to test is to inflate the BCD and lie on your back in the water, see if rolls you one way or the other.  if it has a tendancy to roll you, it will end up tiring you out quicker on  your dive because you'll be fighing with it for most of the dive.  most BCD's have quick release straps now on the front which make ditching your unit before getting on the boat a bit easier.  Finally, is it color co-ordinated?    :D  )
 
 Fins, open heel are ultimately more comfortable, and easier to deal with when you're suited up, especially doing a shore dive, or on a small boat.  They require booties, which can be doubled for "water shoes" and add to the exposure protection.  10,000 different styles that all "move water" that much better than their competition.  it's mind boggling, but some of the scuba pro stuff look kinda cool.   :D  
 
 mask and snorkle, personal perference.  New masks are "6 lens masks" which means that you have better visiblity, and don't have to move your head if you want to glance above you.  hmmm, would have come in handy in my jelly fish dive a couple of weeks back.   :eek:  
 
 gear bag.  Yeah, it's important, BUT, watch out.
 Akonis makes a cool back pack type deal, with wheels, handles, etc.  almost $400 !!!  I just about fainted when I saw it.  I went to another dive shop, and they had a duffle bag, for all intents and purposes, rubberized, tough for $49. I can fit two sets of gear into it, and still have room.  the good thing is too, that if your gear is wet when you put it in there, it won't leak all over the place.  The back pack is handy, with the wheels and handle, but $400??? Jeez...  :wall:  
 
 weight belt, it's a piece of condura with a buckle, just make sure that it's a bit bigger (longer) than you really need so that you have room to add more weights if needed, that is if you don't get the weight integrated BCD.
 
 Gloves, you'll get mixed reviews on this one.  cold water gloves feel thicker than snowmobile gloves!  they're important for exposure protection, in cold water, not to mention zebra mussels up here, or if wreck diving, sharp edges, and when diving in the Caribbean, protection against coral stings.  Now, I can hear the purists.  "Wearing gloves when tropical diving encourages you to touch the coral!!!".
 
 
 first rule,  never, ever touch the coral, even with gloves on.  but, if you happen to be in a situation where you have to come in contact with the coral, better through gloves.  Wreck diving issues are the same.  Tropical gloves are really no more than a mesh backing with some sort of "leather" type of palm for protection.  They feel like driving gloves.  Your choice, some dive operations will encourage you *not* to wear them in the south (using the argument above).  I've had enough coral stings that I'll wear them, and I never feel compelled to touch the coral with them on.  Personal choice, you'll figure out what you're comfortable with.
 
 Hoods:  if you're diving cold water exclusively, then you'll need a hood eventually.  God help you if you do.  pick the one that is the least painfull.   :th:  
 
 for the most part, stick with brand names when you're looking at regs, gauges(computer) BCD and mask.  
 Scuba Pro, Genisis, Cressi, Sherwood, Mares, Aqualung, are a few of the well known ones, and there are lots more out there.  My preference is Mares for a lot of equipment, take my mask for instance, it's 14 years old, and still going strong.
 
 wetsuits, fins, booties, hoods, gloves:
 scuba pro, mares, cressi, arkonis, off the top of my head. There are hundreds more out there.  
 
 
 whew!  that was long winded.  Hope it helps a bit, what I'd suggest is do some research with dive shops, each one will tell you something different of course, but take what they all say and put it all together, and you'll see some patterns appear, like the balanced regs, or 6 lens masks, and it will all start making sense.
 
 First, decide where you're going to do most of your diving (cold or warm water) and that will help you decide.
 
 by the time you finish reading this one, I'm sure that Gambitt and Wossa will add their thoughts for you as well.  
 
 
 Good luck, and send your questions here, there's enough divers here that you should get some good information.
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Re: Equipment
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2005, 11:09:00 PM »
Wow, Thanks, I see that I need to do quite a bit of thinking.  Somehow I suspected it might not be simple.

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Re: Equipment
« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2005, 11:42:00 PM »
Now, to add to the (amazing) list above that John created.
 
 1st.)  Since you are a new diver, you have to decide whether "slightly used" is good enough, for your first set, or does it all have to be brand new.  Brand new is nice, but you will never get back what you put into it, when you decide to "upgrade" to something better. ( I have almost 2 full sets of gear, for this very reason...)
 
 2) Get in touch with a good dive shop.  They can be a really big help in getting you set up, and often have packages.  My shop, that I use, is Adventure Divers in Peterborough. (just down the road from your cottage).  www.Adventuredivers.ca
 
 Pepe, Sherry, and Rob are very happy to give advise, and will suggest things, that might work for you, all in a "low pressure" sales pitch.  I've dealt with them since the day I started diving, and they have never steered me wrong, even if I was going to spend too much money on something I did not need.
 
 The only thing I can see that John missed is Tanks...  This too has a million answers, but their are some basic guidelines.  There are two types of tanks, steel and aluminum.  Steel tanks are heavier of course, but it does take some of the weight off your weight belt (hence, your hips). If they are balanced properly, comfortable for you, then there is little difference, once you are in the water.  I personally use nothing but steel's, but that's my choice.  
 
  The rule that few can argue with, is Bigger is better (as long as you are strong enough, to handle the weight on shore).  You can use part of a big tank, but can't overfill a small one.  There is nothing worse than having a great dive, and running low on air, just as you find something interesting.  So if a larger tank, is just a few bucks more, then take the bigger one!  Some people prefer to rent tanks for the first while, till they find the one they are comfortable with, but if you are going to be diving a lot, it doesn't take long to even out the cost.
 
 Wossa... your thoughts?
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Re: Equipment
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2005, 05:48:00 AM »
Hi Messybill,
 
 Not much I can add to to Johnnycastaways and Gambitts comprehensive & detailed advice.
 
 Its always worth checking out the internet for equipment tests and comparisons against each manufacturer. The below link will provide you with
 the results of tests and reviews for diving gear released a few years ago to brand new, bang up to date equipment.
 
 http://www.divernet.com/gear/testindx.shtml
 
 If possible, try before you buy, and get unbiased recommendations from retailers that do not have a preferred supplier.
 
 I would definately agree with JC's advice of buying mid-range gear if you can. If you get the diving bug, you will find yourself having to replace any entry level equipment in a shortish period of time, as your needs for more information and versatility from your equipment will grow. You'll end up having several sets of diving equipment like Gambitt and I have, which can get expensive.
 
 For example, when I first started diving I purchased all the gear, and then within a year I had to replace my computer, because it wasn't able to calculate Nitrox or Trimix, my BCD because it wouldnt take a twin set, and also my cylinders because they were not O2 clean and not able to contain anything other then standard air.
 So in a way, I wasted a lot of money, but at the time I was only planning on diving once a year on holiday.
 
 It depends on how much you get the diving bug, and as JC mentioned, what kind of diving you want to do and how far you want to take it.
 
 Either way, have a fantastic time completing your course, and let us know how you get on.